It is currently Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:13 am View unanswered posts | View active topics |


Board index » General Gaming » Gaming Discussion


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:37 am 
Crumpet
Crumpet
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:57 am
Posts: 5363
Location: England
Wow. Ok, so, Nintendo's quarterly financial report just came out, and Wii U Is looking kind of, well, um, yeah, good luck with that. So it's time for another of Ket's massive why-the-fuck-did-he-write-all-this-crap threads.

To summarise, In the past quarter (April, May, June) the Wii U managed to ship a grand total of 160k units...

Japan: 90k
Americas (North/South): 60k
Other (Europe, Asia, Australia, Rest of the World): 10k (!!!)

Bearing in mind that this is a newly launched console, not one that's already been on the market for several years. For comparison's sake, the 3DS shipped 1.4 million in those same 3 months.

So what the hell has gone wrong?! Here's my thoughts.

1) Name
2) Power
3) Price
4) Audience
5) Gimmick
6) Games

Or as I like to refer it as: Everything. Let's take a more in-depth look, shall we?

1) Name

What were they thinking!? It sounds like a god damn accessory.

The "Wii" name was never amazing in the first place, but it got people to take notice because of it being such an unconventional name. They sold almost a hundred million Wiis, but only the tiniest fraction of those people can be considered "gamers". That's just how the Wii rolled, it was a fancy new gimmick that took off and was bought by millions upon millions of casuals who know absolutely nothing about games or the industry.

So they wanted to launch a new, better, more powerful, console. Can't blame them! They need a name for it that will inspire these same people (who do not follow the industry) to run out and get the next best thing. So what did they call it?

Wii U.

This is now a world where people are used to Playstation 2s and 3s. A world where people rush out and pay insane prices to buy the new iPad 2, and iPhone 5, because it's clearly the new and improved version, and they wouldn't want to be caught with the inferior product. But what the hell is a Wii U? It's a Wii something, but it sure doesn't sound like a Wii 2. Sounds like an upgrade or accessory to a console people already own and has been sitting gathering dust under their TV for the past 4 years, who cares about that old thing anymore.

The alternative is you give the product a whole new fancy name entirely, and get people's attention by telling them the next best thing is this thing you've never heard of before, but it's made by that company you like, so it must be good. People get curious and at least wonder what it is.

As corny as it would have sounded, calling it Wii Too would have been a way better option than a freaking letter U.

2) Power

So here's the thing. What Nintendo has released is, for all intents and purposes, basically a PS3/360.

It's actually technically more powerful, simply for being newer hardware. Quite a lot newer, in fact, the PS3 and 360 are about 8 years old now. But it's close enough to the PS3/360 that it might as well be parity with them.

At first this might sound like a good thing. Nintendo can finally get multi-platform games on their console, because their hardware has parity with the other consoles. Until now, releasing a Wii version basically meant you needed to develop a whole new version of the game, which simply wasn't a financially good idea. But now their console will have all the same multi-platform games, the Wii U will win out on it's famously superior first-party Nintendo library. Right?

Not so. See, the problem is that everybody already OWNS either a 360 or a PS3, or even both. Why do they need a third console that just plays the same stuff? Had the Wii U been released alongside the 360 and PS3 5-6 years ago, it would have been a really strong contender for the market. But right now only the people who already buy everything are going to bother.

And then there's that shadow looming on the horizon. The Xbox One and PS4 are slowly making their way here, and those two consoles are looking to be a huge generational leap of almost 10x in power, graphics, and features. Buying the Wii U is going to be like buying a PS3 when the PS4 is out.

Too little, too late.

3) Price

And this follows on from the previous point. The Wii U is too expensive for what it is.

It's $350 for the decent one that actually has disk space. The PS3 and 360 are both around $200-250 now, that's quite a large gap for a console that has roughly the same amount of features and power.

And lets not forget, the PS4 is looming on the horizon, and people know this. How much does a PS4 cost? $400. $50 more. Oh dear.

Word is that the large cost increase is coming from the cost of the game pad. It's a large thing that basically equates to a cheap tablet. It probably costs them around $80-100 to pack that thing in. But does it bring enough to the table to make it worth it? Hmm, I'm not so sure.

4) Audience

Who is the Wii U's audience, really?

Well, it seems to me that Nintendo's intention was for the Wii U to ride on the success of the Wii. They want that casual audience that swept up the Wii like hotcakes a generation ago. Because of that, Nintendo has opted to somewhat shun it's loyal fanbase, in favour of trying to replicate the success it had last time.

Their choice was to make another somewhat-underpowered machine, with a cool gimmick to hook people. Of course, this time their gimmick is actually more expensive than the competition, so it immediately loses that point.

Those hundred million people who bought the Wii. Who are they? The casuals, that is. They're your average family who aren't really into video games, but they're into family friendly fun and accessible entertainment. When the Wii came out, it was new and exciting, nothing had done motion controls before. Word got around in such a way that the Wii was basically a "fad", it was a toy that let you play tennis and bowling by actually swinging your arms around. That was new and cool, and suddenly everyone wanted one. These people weren't really catered for in the market, they didn't want to play videogames, so when the Wii came along and offered them something new, they lapped it up.

But what's different now compared to when the Wii first came out? Oh yes, tablets and smartphones.

Ah yeah, the realm of the casuals have moved on. Their needs are now catered to by tablets and smartphones. Instant access to small bites of entertainment whenever they want it, for minimal pricing.

They don't really need a video game system now, it doesn't interest them. At least, not without some kind of new gimmick to get their attention. Something they've not seen before. Something they don't already have! You know, something that's not just a tablet...

5) Gimmick

But as long as the new gimmick is something attractive, people will want to come try it, right?

Well, ideally yes, but Nintendo's gamepad idea is simply nothing new or impressive. It's just a tablet. A cheap one at that, using a non-multitouch resistive screen instead of a capacitive one. But it's still "just a tablet" in the eyes of the average consumer. Casuals already own these now, much better and more expensive ones, in fact. This "gimmick" is frankly nothing new.

For those who don't know the difference, a "resistive" screen is the kind that requires you to use a stylus or your fingernail or something to register presses. Whereas as "capacitive" screen is the kind that your phones and tablets use to work really nicely with your fingers and register multiple taps and swipes. Using a resistive screen is pretty cheap, and really hinders "casual" use.

The only thing it really does that people like is work as an off-tv screen when somebody else is using your actual TV or you can't otherwise get at your TV right that moment. Plenty of people who love the idea they can play their game handheld on the toilet or something, but isn't this what we have handhelds for?

Not even Nintendo themselves make proper use of the game pad. Very few of their own games use it for anything more than the usual item/map/status screen everybody uses the DS bottom screen for. This is not additive to gameplay, or frankly even convenient. Why should you have to look down to find that stuff out when it could be shown on the TV.

Compared to motion controls, which was quite literally the new best thing at the time, the gamepad is poorly thought out. Basically, Nintendo's new "gimmick" is just that, a gimmick, and this time, people aren't falling for it.

6) Games

Put simply, where are they?

Nintendo released the Wii U with more than a years head start on the new generation of consoles, and they have completely squandered it.

Not every system launches with a great line up, but they usually make sure there's at least one real system seller among it, some game EVERYBODY *needs* to own. Instead, we've had rehashes of old titles (New Mario Bros U), historically niche titles (Pikmin 3), and a whole slew of mediocre third party stuff (ZombiU). Everything else is either multi-platform, or random casual stuff nobody really buys. This is not good.

Where's a new Mario Galaxy? Nowhere to be found. New 3D Zelda? Not announced. Metroid? Nope. Mario Kart?! Yes! Great! When?! 2014?! After PS4 and XBO are out?! WHHHYYYYY.

Did Nintendo actually learn anything from the 3DS?! You can't just release a system, at a high price, with no games that interest people, and just expect everyone to rush out and buy it anyway! Frankly I'm amazed they managed to turn the 3DS around, because even that had a rocky start, but a quick $100 price drop and lots of really good games on the horizon gave it a healthy recovery.

Can Nintendo do the same with the Wii U? I'm not certain a simple $100 price drop is going to do it this time...

Finally

And this is hardly an exhaustive list of all the things wrong with Wii U. It's just a list of the things that are adding together to help it become the next Dreamcast. Though, as far as I know, even the Dreamcast sold quite well, it hit 10 million sold. The Wii U? I'm not so sure.

Nintendo and the Wii U still have lots of other problems. Problems it simply should not have. It's online infrastructure is still laughable. They have an account system now, but it's locked to the console that made the account, you can't just "log in" with that account in other places. It also still has a frighteningly bad digital ownership policy: Purchases are tied to the console, not an account. Lose the console or have it break? Everything is gone.

They've had 7-8 years to watch and copy what Xbox Live and PSN do. How did they mess this one up?

The Wii U's OS is also notoriously bad, and I've noticed this same problem with my 3DS. There's no harmony moving between different parts of the OS. When you select to open something like the settings app, there's a massive 30 second wait while it loads it. Why? It's just a bunch of icons.

My 3DS gives me a little flashing notification that a friend has come online, but can I see it? No. Instead, I have to pause my game by hitting the Home button, wait 5 seconds for the OS home screen to become responsive, click the friends app, wait 10 or so seconds for THAT to load, and only then can I scroll through my friends, one person at a time, until I can see who it MIGHT have been that just came online. Course, after doing all that, I can't actually send them a message or anything. If I want to do that, I need to completely quit my game, and load up Swapnote instead. Which also takes about 2-3 minutes, ugh.

And the Nintendo eShop?! Good lord, this thing is atrocious. I made another post about this crap some time ago so I won't cover it all again, but jeez. You want to have a store on a handheld, go look at an iPhone or even a Vita or something. It needs to be extremely quick and responsive to get around.

Again, this is stuff that doesn't really hurt the Wii U's core adoption problems, but I think it further illustrates that, for some reason, Nintendo really doesn't seem to be aware of what's going on in the world around them. They don't seem to be paying attention to the market, their competitors, or even their audience. Nintendo just do their own thing, even if everyone moved on ahead of them 4-5 years ago, and it's starting to bite them hard.

It's nice to think that 6-12 months down the line, Nintendo will have released their core titles and people will be rushing out to buy a Wii U. I'd like to come back to this thread in two years time when I happily own a Wii U and many of it's great games. But the reality is that the PS4 and Xbox One hit this Christmas, and once they do, the Wii U's days are possibly severely numbered.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:15 pm 
Easy Prey
Easy Prey
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:01 pm
Posts: 211
Location: Seattle
Quote:
Sounds like an upgrade or accessory to a console people already own and has been sitting gathering dust under their TV for the past 4 years, who cares about that old thing anymore.


This was my thought exactly. I boxed up my Wii over 3 years ago and it hasn't been used since.

I've been thinking about getting a few of the popular titles from the last 3 years now that they are super cheap, but I see no reason to get a Wii U.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:28 pm 
Onionhead
Onionhead
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 6:38 pm
Posts: 7560
Location: Houston
All good points but i think you nailed it about casual gamers moving on to smartphones and tablets.

_________________
RIP Shiloh - I'll never forget ya


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:01 pm 
Meat Miq'abob
Meat Miq'abob
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:29 pm
Posts: 1461
meh never been one for tablet and smartphone games. never really play them for more than an hour before i never play em again. then i feel pissed off cause i spend 99 cents haha

as for games

Pikmin 3
Wondeful 101
new luigi bros
rayman legends
sonic lost world
disney infinity
monster hunter 3 ultimate

are some exclusive games coming out this year as well as those 3rd party games like assassin creed, batman and watchdogs. So here's hoping that boost sales once they are out.

but yeah, for a few years now ive been playing pc games alot more than console games. we have like all the consoles in this house, and all i really use them is for casual game play. so yeah we got the wiiu on a whim mainly cause of the list of new games coming out. I did pick up ac3 and batman city thing both for 20 dollars lol, we use the wiiu to play games with friends which is always fun to do.

as for it being doomed yeah probably but maybe after a couple years once ps4 and xbox one are in full swing. Ill go where my favorite games go and thats really all there is to it.

ace combat has been a big let down since its gone to real world, i never play fps unless its co-op and ridere wants to play. I prefer classic scroller non of that fancy 3d stuff. I've gotten bored of racing games since Forza Horizon came out. (mario kart for 3ds is fun thou) AC3 has kept me entertained a little.

but what im really trying to say is PC GAMEZ 4 LIFE! YOLO.

wondeful 101 looks fun. :3

edit:
oh yeah they need to work on their OS i agree on that. wiiu needs new multimedia apps
like crunchyroll and a non slow amazon prime app.

tvii would be awesome if i could post to twitter while watching tv shows. so lame that its so underused on that mii junk. the tvii for sports like football and basketball is simply amazing they need to expand that to other games and other countries.

the OS needs to be revamped. the power is there, I bet a bunch of noob programers where in charge of it.

_________________
Take my hand, brave adventurer. We face this dungeon together - with FRIENDSHIP!
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:34 pm 
Posts way too much
Posts way too much
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 1:07 am
Posts: 4142
Location: Oregon
Yah, Kitty and I got a WiiU. And I don't regret it. I think it's a good party platform thing. It is a lot of fun with friends. Much like the Wii, Game Cube and N64 were back in their primes.

I do agree that in this day and age (And I don't really agree with it) that graphics > everything else when it comes to video games. And because of that, I think Nintendo is probably shooting themselves in the foot. I could totally see them becoming a handheld game company only in the next few years.

That being said, I have loved all of my Nintendo handhelds.

Ultimately, however, like you all mentioned above PC > All for me. The old man in me really still prefers sprite-based games. Because of that I find myself liking those more indie games you can find on Steam (And of course the (3)DS games). I miss sprites. A lot. haha

I don't really get into FPS or Sports games. I like simulation/rpg/strategy games. None of those needs super fancy graphics, they just need good gameplay.

Oh well... bit of a tangent there.

Bad news for Nintendo, but whatever.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:56 pm 
Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 10:52 pm
Posts: 1255
Location: somewhere out there
Do you think it would help if they could integrate the 3DS with the Wii U and upgrade both of the operating systems? I have never played a 3DS and rarely played the Wii, but my kids have them, and I was wondering if that could be an option to play Lego: Star Wars against each other in different rooms. It might help them recover a bit, ya think?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:57 pm 
Posts way too much
Posts way too much
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 1:07 am
Posts: 4142
Location: Oregon
That would be a pretty awesome idea, but I have no idea of their architecture could support that, or not.

That being said, you can import your Mii from a 3DS to the WiiU, using both at the same time, so there's at least some base-level communication between the two systems achievable.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:27 pm 
Easy Prey
Easy Prey
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:11 pm
Posts: 391
Location: Oregon
I would still get a Wii-U I wanted one ever since my girl and her sister play games like Mario, and super smash bros it's fun for more than one person but I would probably not get it for single player games.

My list of games I am excited for:
Super Mario Bros Wii-U
Super Smash Bros for the Wii-U
Bayonetta
Mario Cart

besides Bayonetta all are good "party games".

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wii U am doomed.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:43 am 
Decent Challenge
Decent Challenge
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:51 pm
Posts: 430
I have a Wii U. If you have a family or have company over on a regular basis you should definately get one. In the next few months they are finally starting to roll out some more games. It was a long dry spell but we still play Nintendoland on a regular basis.

I just picked up PIkmin 3. Now that is a pretty game. It's a fun game too.

That's what I have to say about the Wii U. The Wii U is fun.

I'm glad I bought one. Even on the severly limited software thus far, we've had a blast.

_________________
http://www.youtube.com/ArmLengthInterviews
My attempt at making funny gaming related videos.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

Board index » General Gaming » Gaming Discussion


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 40 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group