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| Author: | Ketrebu [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Word on the street is that Turns 2 and 5 have been changed: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/ ... inja_buff/
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| Author: | Kluya [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
lol time for my coil group to stop being lazy and learn turn 2 :p Those turn 5 adjustments sound good. Now people don't need to worry about timing death sentance before conflags start. The larger divebomb icon and lower snake HP will help us get to the twister phase atleast lol. |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
haha... Well, I guess it's time for team French Toast to finally learn how to do turn 2 legit. We're the only CKD group that cheeses it. As for turn 5. I dunno. Seems like may be overall it may make the encounter easier. Probably harder on the healer, though. But it does stop us from having to worry about when the first necklace drops, right? |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Klu and I are neuro-linked irl. |
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| Author: | Kluya [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Ridere wrote: Klu and I are neuro-linked irl. lol seriously |
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| Author: | Ketrebu [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Turn 5 is now essentially easier, yes. The Death Sentence thing was never really required in the first place, it just made things less stressful on your healers for the first half of the fight. You still had to do Death Sentence properly for the second half of the fight anyway. What sucks is that you can end up with a healer (or even two) stuck in a conflag unable to heal, and suddenly Death Sentence is a massive problem. It might encourage people to use the tank swap method. Just provoke during death sentence so the auto attack that follows it doesn't kill them. The other changes (easier conflag/snakes/divebomb marker) all make it slightly easier. |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
The tank swap method could be interesting. Especially if you 3-stack for fireballs, and you can just stack the two pets, as a result, freeing the OT for swapping purposes. In related news, SMN and SCH no longer count as the same base job, in regards to the limit bar increases. So that should make the bar raise a bit faster. Not necessarily big news, but good, all the same. Really happy about the conflag change, though. We were just scraping by some on ours, and we weren't timing that first necklace very well, due to that aggro bug acting up on pulls and such. So overall, I think that this may be better for our group. |
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| Author: | Kluya [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Ridere wrote: Really happy about the conflag change, though. We were just scraping by some on ours, and we weren't timing that first necklace very well, due to that aggro bug acting up on pulls and such. So overall, I think that this may be better for our group. ^^^^ my thoughts exactly. |
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| Author: | Vurin [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Yea the limit break/snake change even helps the "very best" Turn 5 clears too since when we pushed DPS we actually could get to snakes without hitting even 2 bars, and most groups probably couldn't hit 3 bars and still beat enrage after limit change, and killing with 2 bars was probably very hard for a lot of people. I'll wait and see how much weaker snakes/conflags are. I'm mostly worried about conflagged healers + death sentence/plummets |
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| Author: | Azreall [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
If this is True.. Pug Life is well on our way to beating this very soon. Although, I wish we could have beaten it without a nerf |
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| Author: | Kluya [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
It's not a huge nerf. Tanks losing the ability to avoid death sentance while hiding in conflag balances it out a bit. |
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| Author: | Azreall [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
We already stopped putting the Tank in conflag. Decided it would be better to just heal through it. |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Would be curious to look into the tank swapping during this phase, since we don't need the OT for a fireball sponge, if we have SCH/SMN pets. |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Kluya wrote: Ridere wrote: Klu and I are neuro-linked irl. lol seriously lololol |
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| Author: | Ketrebu [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Apparently now Yoshi has come out and said that these changes are an unintentional side effect of fixing some other bug, and they're looking to revert them: Original Japanese Link Quote: プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。 大迷宮バハムート:邂逅編 第二層/第五層において、Patch2.15と挙動が変わっている箇所があり、 調査のため、ご報告が遅れてしまい、ご迷惑をおかけしています。 現在開発チームはPatch2.2「混沌の渦動」に向け、コンテンツのバグFIXなども並行しており、 今回の挙動変化は他のバグを修正した内容がパッチ2.16に適用されて発生してしまいました。 この2層と5層の挙動変化を以前の状態になるよう、現在慎重に修正と修正後検証を行っています。 出来る限り早く緊急メンテナンスで修正致しますので、今しばらくお待ちください。 （XHBのターゲット入力挙動も同時にPatch2.15に戻します）。 どのような修正を行ったために挙動変化したかは、この後別ポストで解説させていただきます。 なお、一部の方が「裏パッチ」と呼んでいるような「意図的な告知無しの修正」はポリシーとしておこなっていません。 （仮にそれを行ったとしても、プレイヤーの皆さんはすぐ気付かれると思いますので一切利がありません） これまで幾つかミスによるパッチノートへの記述漏れや、今回のような意図しない変化が発生してしまったため、 誤解を生むような結果となってしまい、本当に申し訳ありません。 引き続き、出来得る限りミスのないアップデート運用になるよう、努力致しますのでご理解頂けますと幸いです。 Rough translation via Reddit: Quote: This is Produce/Director Yoshida.
We have confirmed reports of the changed behaviours of turn 2/5. Sorry for late report. The dev team was working on 2.2 as well as bugfixes in parallel. The current changes are the unintended consequences of some of the bugfixes applied in 2.16. We are looking into how we may revert turns 2 and 5 to their previous behaviours, and will apply a hotfix as soon as we can. (fix for XHB input delay will be included in the hotfix). I will explain in a later post, the changes that caused this behavioural changes. It is against my principles and beliefs to apply a stealth patch/nerf as so many people are calling it (because it would be discovered immediately anyway and has no merit for uss). There have also been other mistakes like this, including mistakes/missing items in the patchnotes which lead to such a situation, and I apologise for them. |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
I remember them saying that about Dark Devices. We're still waiting for them to fix that "accident" |
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| Author: | Ketrebu [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/thre ... ost1889834 Quote: The following issues have been addressed:
- An issue in “The Binding Coil of Bahamut – Turn 2” wherein the ADS’s usage interval of its AoE attack “Object 199” is too short. - An issue in “The Binding Coil of Bahamut – Turn 5” wherein if Twintania is unable to attack its main target, it will attack the target next highest in enmity. - An issue wherein the cross hotbar may not switch over smoothly. |
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| Author: | Ridere [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Already fixed? haha. Well, I guess that's good, but I was kind of hoping to keep the Turn 5 changes, in all honesty. Now our group has to go back to figuring out how to consistantly pull the adds, so we can drop necklaces reliably each attempt. Ugh. |
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| Author: | Corwin [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Do the patch notes say the hp changes were reversed? Shit won't load on my phone. |
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| Author: | Ketrebu [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
No, those are the only three lines in the hotfix notes. |
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| Author: | Vurin [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Are we sure the hp was ever changed at all? could have just been people being paranoid. |
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| Author: | Corwin [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coil Turns 2/5 Stealth Adjusted |
Someone posted that conflag hp is back to normal, but Asclepius still has about 40k less hp. |
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