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Ponuh
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Olbermann has been doing many of those special comments. He responded to Katrina, Rumsfeld, and Bush on 9/11 thus far. He's sick of it. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Yarr is just jealous cause he can't be in the U.S. Navy with me.
Don't worry Yarr, you can, it just takes an extra piece of paperwork and you will be swabbing decks and sailing the high seas in no time!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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yarr loves long hard missle shaped things filled with seamen
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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This is another example why I find america to be pathetic.
I realize Free Speach does not extend to bashing or slaming another person.
but seriously here. Some Jury (peers) award this woman 11 million fucking bucks because someone wrote some "mean" things about her online.
Pathetic.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-10-internet-defamation-case_x.htm
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Jury awards $11.3M over defamatory Internet posts
A Florida woman has been awarded $11.3 million in a defamation lawsuit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
Legal analysts say the Sept. 19 award by a jury in Broward County, Fla. — first reported Friday by the Daily Business Review — represents the largest such judgment over postings on an Internet blog or message board. Lyrissa Lidsky, a University of Florida law professor who specializes in free-speech issues, calls the award "astonishing."
BEWARE OF BLOGS: Courts are asked to crack down on bloggers, websites
Lidsky says the case could represent a coming trend in court fights over online messages because the woman who won the damage award, Sue Scheff of Weston, Fla., pursued the case even though she knew the defendant, Carey Bock of Mandeville, La., has no hope of paying such an award. Bock, who had to leave her home for several months because of Hurricane Katrina, couldn't afford an attorney and didn't show up for the trial.
"What's interesting about this case is that (Scheff) was so vested in being vindicated, she was willing to pay court costs," Lidsky says. "They knew before trial that the defendant couldn't pay, so what's the point in going to the jury?"
Scheff says she wanted to make a point to those who unfairly criticize others on the Internet. "I'm sure (Bock) doesn't have $1 million, let alone $11 million, but the message is strong and clear," Scheff says. "People are using the Internet to destroy people they don't like, and you can't do that."
The dispute between the two women arose after Bock asked Scheff for help in withdrawing Bock's twin sons from a boarding school in Costa Rica. Bock had disagreed with her ex-husband over how to deal with the boys' behavior problems. Against Bock's wishes, he had sent the boys to the boarding school.
Scheff, who operates a referral service called Parents Universal Resource Experts, says she referred Bock to a consultant who helped Bock retrieve her sons. Afterward, Bock became critical of Scheff and posted negative messages about her on the Internet site Fornits.com, where parents with children in boarding schools for troubled teens confer with one another.
In 2003, Scheff sued Bock for defamation. Bock hired a lawyer, but he left the case when she no longer could afford to pay him.
When Katrina hit in August 2005, Bock's house was flooded and she moved temporarily to Texas before returning to Louisiana last June. Court papers that Scheff and her attorney David H. Pollack mailed to Bock were returned to Pollack's office in Miami.
After Bock didn't offer a defense, a Broward Circuit Court judge found in favor of Scheff. A jury then heard Scheff's arguments about damages. Pollack did not seek a specific amount for the harm he says Scheff's business suffered.
"Even with no opposing counsel and no defendant there, $11 million is a huge amount," says Pollack, adding that Scheff is considering whether to try to collect any money from Bock. "The jury determined this was a significant enough issue. It's not just somebody's feelings are hurt; it's somebody's reputation is ruined."
Bock says that when she moved back to her repaired house over the summer, she knew the trial was approaching but did not know the date. She says she doesn't have the money to pay the judgment or hire a lawyer to appeal it. She adds that if the goal of Scheff's lawsuit was to stifle what Bock says online, it worked.
"I don't feel like I can express my opinions," Bock says. "Only one side of the story was told in court. Nobody heard my side."
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Thats kinda pushing it lol. The entire judgement should be overturned.
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Yeah, that's a first. I think I remember reading about how one lawyer involved was blown away by how retarded this was.
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mwahaha I say pwned... that’s a ridiculous judgment. I bet she banged the judge.
Seriously though, that could happen anywhere. What I think exacerbates the problem though, is that America is one of the few countries you can make legal pleas in rather easily. Try going to Venezuela and complaining about someone screwing you over, if they have any association with the government, you will get sent to jail for 10-25 years for defamation of "their" character. Give someone who feels powerless something very powerful like the legal system, and they get corrupted rather easily. lol
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Yeah my brother is pre-law and a political science major. He is seriously considering being a lawyer or a lobbyist. It is fun hearing him stick up for lawyers who sue the shit out of people and companies all the time. 11 million dollars over shit on the net is retarded. Someone should kick the judge in the fucking head. You can't censor the internet you fucking douchebags, damn that really pisses me off.
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It was rewarded by a Jury i thought. I mean, its worse when its a GROUP OF AMERICANS who decided that, not just one stupid judge.
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| Eternus wrote: | | Yeah my brother is pre-law and a political science major. He is seriously considering being a lawyer or a lobbyist. It is fun hearing him stick up for lawyers who sue the shit out of people and companies all the time. 11 million dollars over shit on the net is retarded. Someone should kick the judge in the fucking head. You can't censor the internet you fucking douchebags, damn that really pisses me off. |
How in the hell did your brother get the notion that lobbyists and lawyers aren't scumbags? I'm always interested to see how people can become something like that and still hold any shred of self-righteousness. I'm not saying your brother is there yet, but he obviously has some less than common views on those occupations.
Anyways, Bill O'reilly has been "fighting" the internet for quite some time, saying that bloggers are "dangerous because they don't work for anyone. They can say whatever they want." No shit you pile of shit. That's the point |
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I don't entirely disagree.
As a business manager and owner, i find advertisement very important and significant. I work in the building industry where BBB and yellow/white pages really make a difference. Word of mouth also plays a good part and i'll give you an example.
One of the buildings the company i work for, was contracted by simply word of mouth and alone increased our profits by 4.5%. That might not be much to you or random people who dont understand, but when we start talking about buildings which we get a gross of $700,000.00 and $90,000.00 of pure profit; that 4.5% becomes fairly large.
The penalty is cruel, but the accusation is just. If you were to say such things about a business owner that has not been in business for a long time, you could potentially ruin that peticular business. Some of you may not care about that, but the truth is, when a large business goes bakrupt, people's jobs are no longer, juicy tax money that we all benefit from are no longer and potentially people's professions are ruined.
Like i said, the chargers were rough, but i agree with the accusation.
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He knows they are scumbags. I would say my brother really doesn't care about morals whatsoever, he just wants to make money. He makes no illusions to helping people either lol. I really think lobbyists are a big part of what ruins out government and a good portion of the lawyers out there are total scum. This doesn't even phase him it seems.
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| Is he religious? |
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| Ponuh wrote: | | Is he religious? |
Of course not, but he lies to my parents to placate them.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha, maybe once he's made his millions he'll try and buy back his lost sense of morality |
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| Yarr wrote: | | It was rewarded by a Jury i thought. I mean, its worse when its a GROUP OF AMERICANS who decided that, not just one stupid judge. |
Juries decide innocent or guilt of a crime. Judge's choose from their own judgement, or the law, the best way to handle the guilty verdict. Grand Juries and petit juries don't decide the punishment, they only decide the guilt or innocence. In a sense sometimes they have power to decide punishment, by finding someone guilty for a crime which would not allow for a certain form of punishment. As in the case of voluntary and involuntary manslughter. In some grand jury cases, in which a crime has been commited of a caliber to warrant a grand jury. It is commonplace to use a third jury, devoid of case details and bias, to determine punishment.
So with those facts in mind.
If she was conviected of "Defamation of character" or something like that.
The judge could be trying to set a precedence for cases like this, from his own viewpoints, and so awarded a huge settlement. Or a third party jury, only knowing she was convicted of "defamation of character" could have awarded settlement based on the prosecutors plea.
US Law has alot of circumstances it can change under, but as far as I know of US Law, this is the most relevant facts. Judges will usually award large settlements, in order to prove a point, and expect it to be overturned at a later date.
Regardless, the women is never going to have to pay that settlement, it will sooner or later get thrown out of court in a re-trial or dismissed. the only one who is going to get money during this, is the lawyers.
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And the Judge.
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I never read back to when you posted Cad. I choose to ignore the rest and then when I clicked in and saw this story, keep going with this one.
In reponse though, I don't get mad so to say. Its not like I'm an angry and jumping around pissed off. I do think its rather disheartening to see youth, and people generally in the same age group as me, so far off track.
Everytime I see these views, it would be irresponsible of me to not respond. If I didn't, then where is my credibility and faith in my points? you may be able to ignore someone that trashes your country, I have to respond.
I type extremely fast too, its not like I spend all day typing this stuff out. Just sort of flows.
And I did 3 years of political science, crossing viewpoints makes me happy so to speak. So in effect, it may sound like I'm mad, but I acutally sort of get off on this stuff. If you wanted to affect me somehow, not posting it at all would probaly bore me with the board.
As for Ponuh, I responded to you in the other thread. Still wuv you.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| You just say the things we've heard so many times in the past. You make longwinded posts that make little sense and really only cover universal knowledge or cliched opinions. You've got more ideals than common sense and your bullshit isn't wanted here. Just stop posting, for fuck's sake. Thanks. |
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